Playbook Deep Dive

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Welcome to Playbook Deep Dive, the stories behind the power. From Congress and the White House to bar stools and back rooms, POLITICO Playbook’s Ryan Lizza brings you interviews with the most compelling and important figures who explain what’s really going on in Washington.

Recent Episodes
  • To resist Trump or work with him? This governor says you can do both.
    Feb 21, 2025 – 32:10
  • Inside the Resistance 2.0 | Rep. Jamie Raskin
    Feb 14, 2025 – 38:42
  • Trump and the GOP Congress’s fork in the road I Rep. Lisa McClain
    Feb 7, 2025 – 33:58
  • 'I don't think they're going to get the battle that they want.' Inside Trump’s first clashes with Congress and the courts
    Jan 31, 2025 – 47:56
  • Chuck Grassley’s Trump 2.0 vibe check
    Jan 24, 2025 – 33:51
  • Jason Smith on who’s getting the “candy” in reconciliation
    Jan 17, 2025 – 33:20
  • The Art of the Deal (Greenland edition)
    Jan 10, 2025 – 32:25
  • Power Play: How the world's political power brokers are gearing up for 2025
    Dec 27, 2024 – 26:06
  • Does Trump have Justin Trudeau dancing to his tune?
    Dec 20, 2024 – 37:36
  • How big business is making its relationship with Republicans great again
    Dec 13, 2024 – 39:46
  • How to dethrone a Democratic ranking member
    Dec 6, 2024 – 35:58
  • How the Senate GOP is tempering Trump 2.0
    Nov 22, 2024 – 48:40
  • A vanquished Democratic senator’s warning
    Nov 15, 2024 – 29:16
  • Why this Trump term will be different
    Nov 8, 2024 – 47:25
  • What top election forecasters are predicting for Tuesday
    Nov 1, 2024 – 45:21
  • Normal Trump vs. Dangerous Trump
    Oct 25, 2024 – 40:09
  • Why Democrats see 'warning signs' in Pennsylvania
    Oct 18, 2024 – 42:59
  • The 'boys vs. girls' election
    Oct 11, 2024 – 48:57
  • How not to get fooled by “biased polls” this election
    Oct 4, 2024 – 42:32
  • The “giant opening” Trump has given to Harris | James Carville
    Sep 27, 2024 – 39:15
  • Inside the mind of Harris' messaging maven
    Sep 20, 2024 – 44:21
  • The “wall of lava” approaching Kamala Harris’ campaign
    Sep 13, 2024 – 56:25
  • How to win the Latino vote in 2024
    Sep 6, 2024 – 54:37
  • Introducing 'Power Play': How to win a TV election debate
    Aug 30, 2024 – 34:28
  • Nancy Pelosi's Democratic survival guide
    Aug 23, 2024 – 39:56
  • Bernie Sanders’ tough love for the Harris campaign
    Aug 21, 2024 – 35:56
  • The new fundamentals of the 2024 campaign
    Aug 16, 2024 – 50:46
  • Anita Dunn on why Joe Biden really dropped out
    Aug 9, 2024 – 46:39
  • Inside the veepstakes with Gov. Roy Cooper
    Aug 2, 2024 – 36:11
  • Kamala Harris’s campaign didn’t just fall out of a coconut tree. Here’s what you need to know.
    Jul 26, 2024 – 50:27
  • How Trump unity and Biden fumbles are helping the House GOP change the map
    Jul 19, 2024 – 29:04
  • Brian Kemp warns GOP against being ‘overconfident’ about Trump
    Jul 17, 2024 – 35:07
  • How to win an open convention — if Joe Biden drops out
    Jul 12, 2024 – 38:13
  • Who’s afraid of Donald Trump? Not this rising star GOP governor.
    Jun 28, 2024 – 36:27
  • The man Democrats call to prepare for debate night
    Jun 21, 2024 – 54:08
  • Jim Clyburn’s advice to Joe Biden on the election and the Democratic Party's future
    Jun 14, 2024 – 31:10
  • Chris Coons has thoughts on Gaza, the border and Biden’s age
    Jun 7, 2024 – 38:33
  • Trump’s Guilty. Here’s what he shouldn’t do on appeal.
    May 31, 2024 – 38:47
  • Inside Rick Scott’s quest to be the Senate’s Florida man
    May 24, 2024 – 37:29
  • “Political malpractice”: the Debate Commission chief thinks Trump blew it
    May 17, 2024 – 01:04:03
  • Mike Johnson told us what he really thinks about Joe Biden, Hakeem Jeffries and Donald Trump
    May 10, 2024 – 45:50
  • Rep. Jerry Nadler opposed the House antisemitism bill. Here's why
    May 3, 2024 – 46:28
  • ‘I used to be very combative’: How starring in ‘Civil War’ changed his politics
    Apr 26, 2024 – 35:52
  • Rep. Tom Cole’s cigar diplomacy to secure Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan aid
    Apr 19, 2024 – 50:16
  • Michael Cohen on the first Trump trial: Prepare to be surprised
    Apr 12, 2024 – 37:32
  • Abortion will now be on the ballot in Florida. Here’s why that’s awkward for Biden.
    Apr 5, 2024 – 37:54
  • Inside the WSJ’s ‘very intense’ effort to free Evan Gershkovich
    Mar 29, 2024 – 28:18
  • The new politics of Israel dividing Biden’s Democratic Party
    Mar 22, 2024 – 49:30
  • Kellyanne Conway’s advice to Republicans on abortion & TikTok
    Mar 15, 2024 – 25:32
  • The secrets of Jill Biden’s East Wing
    Mar 8, 2024 – 45:33
Recent Reviews
  • GordonSarah
    Where is the pushback?
    The guest today said repeatedly that Trump won in a landslide when he did not even quite get to 50%. He won by the a much smaller percentage. Another assertion she made was that Democrats were the ones who brought up the trans issues, which is debatable. Why just totally agree to that? I get that it’s worth it to get the politicians on, but isn’t it worth a bit of pushback on obviously false statements. I know this happens on both sides. I just wish there was more effort to get politicians off their talking points.
  • feheihdfnuhsfnhigns
    Why so much giggling?..
    I’ve listened for years, and it used to be one of my favorite podcasts. i’m still very interested in the topics and the guests. For a long time now, I can’t bear to listen anymore. Why so much chortling? They’re not funny subjects. I often have the impression that Ryan and the new guy just like having the inside track and being able to ask important people questions. I also feel like the questions are more about the game now than the substance of the subject. I still try to listen when I see an interesting episode, but frankly I can’t stand the persistent giggling or the silly gossipy questions anymore. I miss when it was serious, straightforward, and good. I don’t understand why you changed. It’s neither a comedy nor about how cool you are, or at least I wish it were not. I wish I could still listen to it. I wish it was still good, serious, and straightforward.
  • Jake - Lincoln NE
    More Rachel Bade!
    Well spoken, articulate, love her!
  • tappy4123
    Update Please
    I love Rachel and Eugene. I just would like some sort of update on Ryan and his work with the team.
  • Kitto-Katsu
    Poor fact checking on economics
    The host went on and on about how economic statistics show that purchasing power is way better than it used to be, and income has outpaced inflation, so people may feel the economy is bad - but they’re just wrong. This is completely inaccurate and I’m shocked you don’t fact check these things. If you look at a graph of the basic expenses needed to function in the world (including rent / property taxes) vs income, the percentage of average income needed just to stay afloat and not be homeless gets higher and higher and higher. Rent is especially atrocious, and its real price has just gotten worse since like the 70s at least. But y’all never acknowledge that truth. That economic fact. Instead you peddle Democratic lies about the economy being great and imply voters are just too stupid to realize they have it good - and I say that as a far leftist who used to vote Democratic every year. It’s bizarre, and makes me really wonder how biased by partisanship you are when you consistently lie about the economy. I really don’t trust Playbook now; I feel like I need to independently fact check you on everything, and in that case, I might as well not listen at all.
  • Mobile site is better
    Continually less balanced
    Some interesting interviews and discussion, but it feels increasingly like a platform for right leaning politicians and figures to normalize behavior that’s increasingly more partisan and disconnected from reality. If you have limited time for political podcasts, look elsewhere.
  • Scottsingsbari
    Bring back Ryan, ditch Rachel
    This is the second softball interview I have heard Rachel give. When interviewing Senator Kramer, she totally failed to challenge any of the statements the senator made that were obviously just talking points or propaganda. Ryan challenges his guests when they say falsehoods and if they don’t change their position, he agrees to disagree and moves on. Rachel gives the appearance of agreeing with her subject’s statements, rarely challenging on anything of substance. If this show is to remain a “deep dive” please put someone in the host chair who can do more than tread water. From here on out, I will be skipping any episode with Rachel as host.
  • MHD62
    Bring back Ryan Lizza please
    So much more insightful questions
  • frankwhitenyking
    It’s a Class & Gender War
    Let’s be real…. The Liberal/Progressive/Democrats have a Gender issue with men. Why? Because the Coalition has been feminized. Why would any heterosexual man support a movement that constantly complains about “Toxic Masculinity” (Whatever that is?) You’re welcome and thanks for coming to my TED Talk 🫡🫡🫡🫡
  • (@)——/——
    Good insights — however no accountability
    I listened to “How not to get fooled …” While I appreciated the insights and civil discourse, I do have a criticism. I think all three speakers continued to normalize 45. They kept talking about his “antics.” That’s irresponsible of anyone on a public forum to do, thus the lower rating. 45 has engaged in racism, bigotry, xenophobia and lying. Calling it anything else normalizes him and fools listeners.
  • Teduffy
    Informative & Well Done
    Really impressed with the content, topics, interview style and guests. Recommend listening.
  • Mercurial631
    Smug & snickering
    Host does too much snickering and has too many scoffing / snide comments. I’m looking for information, not looking for someone trying to poke at / antagonize interviewees.
  • nfljoe
    Mike Madrid
    Mike Madrid first says that the Democratic Party makes the mistake of thinking helping working Class people with financial programs doesn’t work. Then he says in the next breath, that there’s eight economic populism amongst young Latinos who are hurting and want better economic conditions. those two cannot be true at the same time. Just admit it Mike, the Democratic Party made the decision to move away from labor, during the Clinton era, and towards corporations. And that is the OBVIOUS reason why they’ve lost the working class. Let’s not get cute about this. It’s blatantly obvious
  • CORK26
    Sound
    Why can’t Ryan Lizza stop screaming into the microphone? He loudly speaks over guests all the time & drowns them out, to the extent it’s often difficult to hear the guests! Otherwise can be really interesting.
  • Philip1085
    A part of a totally corrupt enterprise
    Today’s ridiculous Kamala headline fiasco from politico revealed How bad this click bait org really is. Why don’t you just ask Trump to write your headlines? Listened to this podcast until today. No longer.
  • dissatisfied longtime user
    8/21 interview
    The interviewer needs some coaching. We’re not here to listen to you pontificate. If the guest gets to talk in’, shut up and get out of the way.
  • Learner A.
    Anita Dunn
    How silly of voters to have well thought out observations about Joe Biden’s viability as a candidate when Anita could have just told us what to think!
  • Judinez
    Terribly slanted. Almost unlistenable
    terrible show
  • Wendygull
    Best podcast
    I absolutely love this podcast. Always makes me think and see things from a different perspective. I always learn something- even if I don’t agree with all the guests it is good to hear more than one perspective
  • alalrian
    Podcast junkie
    I look forward to hearing this podcast every week and am v rarely disappointed. Even on topics which have been over traffic’ed, the take is insightful and listen-worthy.
  • Calculatorless
    INADEQUATE..!!
    Episode after episode, the (only) 5 star rating system is definitely woefully inadequate..!! Absolutely rates as one of the best podcasts available..!!
  • Bountiful!109
    Mike Johnson interview
    Could you be any more deferential to this Christian Nationalist? Just because he made one morally correct decision shouldn’t make him immune from the rest of the right wing, anti-democratic, misogynistic stances he takes. And to give him a platform for his aw-shucks, toe-in-the-dirt degrading of Joe Biden with no pushback is disgraceful.
  • Balling penguin
    Kelly Ann Conway
    Giving a voice to KAC ( who gave us alternative facts, circular logic, lies, and what-aboutism), is a new low! Great job! I couldn’t hit the unsubscribe button fast enough!
  • nbvc75432$@&
    Kelly Anne Conway
    Is a puppet for trump- I can listen to Hannity if I want a brainwashed lecture, uncontested by the interviewer.
  • 425w
    “Right?” Remains Wrong
    Please train everyone (staff
  • The Mad Moleman
    Consistently Excellent
    If you want to understand how policymaking and politics really works Playbook Deep Dive is the podcast. Guests are frequently not the most famous politicos that you see regularly on mainstream media but rather politicians, staffers, civil servants, and consultants that are doing much of the real policymaking work. And Lizza is consistently amazing in his questioning to get down to what the real situation is and how the process is working (or not working); and often learning a small bit of personal information that humanizes his guests. I consistently look forward to the pod dropping every Friday.
  • bGuiles
    Thank you!
    Wow. Thank you SO MUCH for minimizing ads and placing them at end of episodes! And for delivering such excellent coverage in this and your briefer daily politics podcast, also new to me. Both so smart and helpful. Thank you!
  • G$jones
    Zero original thought
    For a show called deep dive I hear nothing but regurgitated CNN talking points. Oh Biden is old you say? 🤔 wow! People love to air grievances, but when the laughable republican primary is done and it comes down to Biden v Trump, people will remember. Stop wasting out time. Report on real things happening now. UNFOLLOW
  • zzxryjkk
    Guest should know better
    I loved the 11/17/23 segment, but your guest made an error. He complained about the difficulties in signing up for Part D, and blamed it on the Affordable Care Act. Part D was actually an addition to Medicare passed under the last Bush administration; it is not a part of the ACA. Your guest should know better.
  • dlksfjkdasnfkdasgidasjgaoi
    Disturbing
    The abortion episode was disturbing and anti-American. SBA is misogynist / anti-woman organization. These extreme views that are aimed at stripping US citizens of fundamental human rights are dangerous. It’s 2023. It’s no longer acceptable to platform people who want half the US population to be returned to second class citizens who pay first class taxes because of their uncontrollable biology. It’s anti-American to legislate uncontrollable bodily functions. It’s also incredibly dumb. Honestly, it’s 2023.
  • Citizen Sane
    Really bad, right-wing claptrap
    This podcast, especially the one about abortion, reveals Politico for what it is. Their agenda is anti-woman, anti-abortion, pro-Trump. It’s clear as can be. This podcast is horrifying. I’d even call it anti-American. I give it zero stars.
  • John Vret
    Insightful
    Informative and thoughtful presentation of issues
  • midwestBlue
    7.4.23
    epi started with an ad from the oil & gas companies so no thank you politico, I cannot support you by listening to you since you support fossil fuels and their lobbying in congress and their subsidies that are never and were never needed. why do we give them free money to cause global warming when I can’t get a free solar install. the irony is blinding.
  • MikeWellsy
    Great podcast
    This podcast helps me get a much better understanding of current political issues by providing insight from the people who are personally involved. I think Ryan Lizza does an excellent interview.
  • NDRRRRRNND
    Worse than awful!
    Tim Palatore appears to think we are all fools. Waste of time to listen to him for more than few minutes. He kept contradicting his own arguments. Interviewer comprised himself. Not much point in listening to this podcast.
  • btone911
    Weak journalism
    The Tim parlatore episode was pathetic. Openly allowing a Trump lawyer to sit on the show and badmouth most of the people he’s worked with was boring and petty. Politicos inability to task a capable journalist with this interview that had any experience in the political landscape of the last 4 years and push back on blatant lies is why I’m unsubscribing.
  • Elzie D
    Episode 367. And Paul Renner interview
    Tried listening again. Paul Renner. Terrible to give this man voice without questioning his supposed facts. He walks over the interviewer. First episode I’ve listened too and I am extremely frustrated by the hosts interview approach. Let your guest speak! Quit talking and listen. The filmmaker was about to share his thoughts on Trump and you took over and offered your own. Maddening.
  • donaldsburner
    Great episode but
    Vivek ramaswamy has no idea what he is talking about and should just stop
  • KBKayBam
    Used to be at least half-way legit — no longer.
    I am unsubscribing from Deep Dive, as well as the other major Politico-associated podcast, Politico Playbook. Politico seems to be devoted chiefly to advancing the priorities of their corporate owners, rather than reporting unbiased news. I’ve listened to dozens and dozens — maybe hundreds? — of episodes from these shows over the last few years; for a while I had been listening to Playbook every single day. More and more it seems the people responsible for producing content are either unwilling or incapable of pushing back against inconsistencies, dishonest characterizations, and even outright lies that are featured there, either in stories or in interviews. Instead, Politico prefers to let increasingly brazen disinformation stand unchallenged, and simply acts as a platform to spread whatever messaging campaign their subject — usually someone or something associated with right-wing politics — happens to be pursuing at the time. I’ll admit they sometimes provide interesting insider info on American politics, but these days the intended purpose of this ‘news’ organization seems to be legitimizing mid-right and far-right politicians, and sanitizing their histories and positions. While the ‘both-sides-ism’ at Politico has always been an issue — FYI refusing to call out wrong/bad behavior by one ‘side’ or the other, regardless of the legitimacy of their positions, is not being centrist or moderate, it’s just being a coward — this pattern of partisanship seems to have become particularly blatant since the 2021 purchase of Politico by the right-wing German publishing house Axel Springer and their billionaire CEO, Mathias Döpfner. Since then, they seem much more eager to try and put their thumb on the scale — usually in ways that benefit the personal finances and politics of their corporate owners. Unfortunately the idea that the people at Politico don’t know what is happening is ridiculous, so ‘bad faith’ and ‘bad journalistic principles’ are the only logical explanations for this behavior that I can see. In my opinion, it’s truly a shame for it to go this way. Having a news organization that provides some of that ‘inside the beltway’ insight on DC is invaluable. Unfortunately Politico no longer has the legitimacy of an organization that is devoted chiefly to Truth. Like many before them, they are now a ‘news’ organization more interested in convincing people to believe in a particular worldview, rather than providing newsworthy information in an unbiased way. Advancing their agenda is more important to them than expanding your knowledge. Which is to say, they are no longer a news organization in which you should place your trust.
  • FrankieBlu
    Always interesting
    …And I just have to add, Bob Good R-VA sounds like a typical sanctimonious bloviating politician. Tough to get through his hurt interview.
  • wallyinsf
    Please STOP talking with your mouth full! (Revised
    It is really distracting trying to figure out what you are saying with a mouth full of Halibut (or whatever you were eating). Some people listen with headphones on and I can hear every bite (not just this recent episode). Now if you are interviewing at a bar I will listen, when you are at a restaurant I turn it off, and the recent show is a great example. Not that you care Ever since I wrote this review the problem I had seems to have gone away. I assume there had been just a lot of people with the same complaint, either way I’m happy not to have to listen to you eat at 4:30am. Thank you …
  • superannoyed999
    Unlistenable
    Potentially good topics and guests, but interviewing them in a noisy restaurant is unbelievably annoying. Why?
  • 3dd
    Please learn the art of audio interviewing
    Trying to listen to these “conversations” is frustrating. Everyone involved is smart and has interesting stories to tell and points to make, but they all talk at once, talk too fast, and all I can hear is a mumbled mess. The hosts and producers need coaching.
  • statedept1515
    Too little pushback to extreme ideas
    A lot of silly things are said that aren’t responded to in substantive ways. Maybe the format is to blame if there’s not enough time to dive deep(er)
  • jaymarcnorthamerica
    Summers?
    Just listened to a podcast giving summers credit for predicting inflation. He sounds like a neoliberal. How would things have been different if we hadn’t given out money? Weren’t we fighting a recession by ensuring jobs and providing basic needs for many. How much of inflation is due to the huge corporate welfare or the much smaller money sent to the people?
  • ark7788
    Ryan Lizza, great interview with Steve Schmidt.
    Great interview. Just wish it had been longer.
  • iWatchApple
    Love it!
    Episode 360, 'He absolutely betrayed me,’ was very riveting and surprising. Thank you for showcasing the different voices and points of views that make up the political system. Great content. I will 100% keep listening to this podcast.
  • tvg64
    Steven Schmidt interview
    Not worth airing at all, what a moron that guy was and never gave us any actual information about Meghan’s behavior or what the McCains did to him. He also called it a “geo-blastoma” while claiming the cancer runs in his family which tells me he’s not very bright and by extension that must apply to everyone running this country.
  • ArcherNova
    Disappointed with juvenile attacks
    An attempt at an NPR-level reporting but keeps failing with snarky anti-trump rhetoric. We want mature conversations. Not teenagery and snarkiness from the host. See, e.g., cast 252. I’m a wide-consumer of podcasts and this keeps happening on this podcast, temporary host or not. I do NOT care for it. *****Stop being part of what is wrong with today’s news media.***** Stop juvenile attacks. You say you don’t like it? Then show us. Don’t do it. To be respected you act respectful. Be professional. A screeching bomb goes off when you don’t. Do better.
  • DKRies
    Always rewarding
    No matter the topic of the week, this podcast is always worth a listen. Even when you feel like an issue has dominated the cycle and been reported/discussed ad nauseum, this podcast finds a fresh presentation. I mourned the loss of Ryan Lizza from the New Yorker’s Political Scene podcast, but he’s leveled up. h/t the production team - there are many political talking-head podcasts, so instead this show takes listeners into the field to give texture to interviews, even if ‘the field’ is just a phone and the texture is simply banter between reporter and subject before the formal questions begin. (One caveat - maybe no one should be interviewed while they chew their breakfast?). Bravo and thank you for your work.
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